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Libyen – Våldtagen kvinna förs bort

En film som sprids lite på nätet, visar en kvinna som gråter och talar med reportrar om hur hon våldtagits, och fått utstå att de även slängt skit och kiss på henne. Eman al Obaidy är hennes namn och bara Allah vet vad som sker med henne nu..Det här påminner i mångt och mycket om det som brukade ske i Saddams Irak, då var alla araber på Saddams sida, även efter att allt kom fram, så stödde araberna honom, nu får vi se, att de får uppleva nästan lika hemska scener, what goes around comes around?

Jag vill inte känna ”skadeglädje” men jag kan inte sluta dra slutsatsen att vi inte kan glädjas åt andras lidande, som araberna gjorde åt kurdernas, iraniernas och arabernas lidande, och sedan själva förvånas när det händer oss.

Hayhaat men al Thilla!!

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  1. Yara
    Yara 31 mars 2011

    It would be great if you could be equally self-critical, those like you who rightly point out double standards on Bahrain and Iraqi suppression (Although most Arabs I know at least did not love Saddam anymore than most Libyans support Gaddafi, those against his toppling had your stance against foreign intervention in Libya, I disagree with it as airstrikes saved my family but don’t hate you as long as you don’t support Gaddafi 🙂 are happy with the Syrian minority sect regime oppressing the majority for 2 generations, and carrying out massacres in Hama killing 10s of thousands, threats and acts of rape, tearing hijab off women in street and now shooting 10s of protestors and denying their demands.

    Two Bathist regimes with sects reversed, but not enough people are ready to criticize both equally. I ofcourse agree with you on Iraq and on Bahrain, but notice you have no vidoes on the current murder of peaceful protestors in Syria. How about also criticising current Iraqi government’s corruption, torture and murder of peaceful protestors and civilians? Sectarianism is a two way street and I am afraid oppressed and oppressor can switch easily , the only solution is to look for justice and remeber help your brother whether oppressed or oppressor, if he is oppressor helping him is by stopping oppression. Also if 2 muslim sides fight mediate justly, if that fails choose sides of oppressed. Darfur and countless other conflicts show our governmets fail at it, but if each of us is unwilling to see own sides fault (example clerics who call for sectarianism form both sides as well as supporting all Arab revolutions) Arab revolutions will not lead to a better region though maybe better individual countries.

  2. Bahlool
    Bahlool 31 mars 2011

    I already explained earlier my stance on Syria, not sure if you know swedish or not. The problem is that these days i am busy (posted that too) and thats why i hvnt posted too much on anything, i get these films by email or in FB groups (where i was invited and didnt join freely). If you got a Syrian prodemocracy group, invite me please. I wrote several days ago to some person, why i hvnt posted on Syria. As for arabs dont loving Saddam, dont be a hypocrit? Where were your demands for iraqis rights when saddam killed milions of shias? Where were you when sunni terrorists killed thousends and more thousends of shias? 80% of all victims were shias. I had only arab friends, and not a single one of them dissliked or hated Saddam, on the opposite, he was a hero, he was their minigod. I think your either not honest or you dont know about the love arabs had and still have for that tyrant.

    This shows my stance on The syrian government, i can even show you posts on Facebook, where i am one of few who take a negative stance on Syria and its government. No, doublestandards is not my business, maybe yours, for lying about the love that so many arabs had and have for the killers of the shias. When Zarqawi, the terrorist from Jordan was killed, people went on the streets in arab countries, crying.

    Postat den 2011/03/27 kl. 19:05 | Som svar till bashar.
    Vid gud Bashar, jag har velat skriva om syrien om du märker, jag skriver inte så mkt utan mest publicerar filmer med en ilten snutt film. Jag är anhängare av Syriens stöd till Iran och Hizbollah men det de gör och det de gjort är äckligt, och må Allah störta dem som alla andra tyranner så nej jag försöker inte stödja dem om du nu försökte sätta dit mig för hyckleri

  3. Yara
    Yara 31 mars 2011

    I apologise for misunderstanding your stance on Syria, I just did a quick scan of your blog and found nothing on Syria and in previous debates people did have this double standard but it was a mistake to assume you had the same stance. Sorry again. I hope you do write something about Syria in the future, would like to read it. About Zarqawi, I know Libyans who support Gaddafi even when he killed their relatives and when they are poor. They believe his propagada thay it is thanks to him they have a house not a tent, like the country and its wealth belong to him. I know people (on the net, none personally thank god) who live in a similar alternative reality were they admire Zarqawi but deny his killing of Shia civilians and blowing up markets – he ordered the blowing up of a hotel in Jordan if you remember killing the director of ’the message’ film among others, but some sick Jordanians came out to mourn him. We have many problmes in the Arab world, not just removing regimes although they are responsible for such disfunctional sociteies so its a first step. Saddam I said ’most Arabs I know at least’ did not admire him, and I could turn round your sentence and say where were demands for Syrian rights when Hama happened and when regime was at its worst there, many Iranians would certainly be furious at your support for their government which is imprisoning and torturing opposition. Remember the recent poll which found Bashar Assad the most popular Arab president? Yet everyone knows about the sectarian imbalance and oppression is Syria, and most Arabs are Sunni – they were fooled by his rhetoric about Palestine. There weren’t enough demands from Arabs about Syria either, and I read for example Safinaz Kathem’s (Egyptian) book about horrors of Saddam at height of his power when he was supported by West and Arabs in murderous war against Iran, leftists and islamists in the Arab world certianly hated him for persecuting Iraqis who belonged to those were 2 main political trends at time. By the way as you know better than me although the injustice of a minority ruling a country is the largest problem with Saddam;s regime, and his brutality against Shia is just unimaginable including as you say rape he was also brutal with Sunni islamic movements and secular opposition groups from all sects. I heard one Sunni Iraqi tell my father about seeing friends fed through giant meat grinders, sounds unbelievable but I would put nothing past Saddam.

    I would also say that most people did not know fully about horros in Hama for example or 1991 in Iraq with just state TV news, only those who had access and language foreign tv or radio, we did not have internet and especially not satellite 24 hour news with at least a measure of professionalism and emotional images and phonecalls (none of sat stations are covering Bahrain though, although critics of lack of coverage there repeat the regime propaganda on killings in Syria and Iran, see Hassan Nasrallah for example). Also other movements agaisnt Arab regimes whether in Syria by Sunnis deaceds ago, or now Southern Yemen separatists, or Darfur did not capture imagination not because they were not just and again my friends at least do not sympathise with leaders in any of those countries, but because unlike current revolutions the rhetoric was not about a united people getting rid of corrupt ruler. That is what makes it easy to understand and empathise. I am scared of Syrian regime being able to turn this into a sectarian issue, get the 6 per cent alawai and other 24 per cent non sunnis to see the rest as enemies who will oppress them and ally themselves with saudi etc…this happened in Bahrain and regime now has loyal supporters who might have been opposition becasue they too see corruption and injustice. Unbelievable they also invited foreign army into Bahrian, but in Syria army is dominated by 1 sect so although similiar invasion seems impossible it is probably not needed. It;s clear Bahrian is arresting centrists and people who try to counter ugly regime sectarian propaganda, but there was also a problem by opposition I think not being aware of this danger. Unfortuantly I see the Syrian opposition already making same mistake, only token outreach to other sects (of course oppositon contaisn from all sects, but just non-politicised Syrians need to be reassured that Sunni majority which sees itself as oppressed wants an inclusive civil democratic state of equals, independent from Saudi control etc). I pray for the best for both Syria and Bahrain, and Iraq too for that matter seems their demonstrations have died down there.

    About Eman, yes unfortunatly it is one disgusting way these sort of Arab regime enforcers feel powerful. In Libya it has been quite widespread, I have heard of it in Ajdabya before bombing and rebels freed it again and also in Zawiya which was pounded to submission after 3 weeks, now I am heraing of rape cases in outskirts of Misrata which they have occupied. None of the women are as brave as Eman, families keep it quiet from media but talk about it openly otherwise hamdulillah traditional (not islamic) ideas about shame have been forgotten. Girls are getting marriage proposals from ’best families’ (on paper for now ofcourse) who now remebr the islamic concept of sitra, and they are seen as heroines just like the wounded fighters or demonstraotors from the beginning of the uprising. I’ve seen Libyan women take a much more active and public role than is usual in our closed socity in freed areas when they are not at risk of Gaddafi forces, and in Tripoli they are leading contacts to media. Eman and her still missing lawyer friends had taken part in a demonstration in Zawiya near Tripoli when it was still free, their names were recorded and that is probably why she was caught at the checkpoint. I hope the change in womens role will continue after the revolution and they are given a place in the goverment.

  4. Yara
    Yara 31 mars 2011

    Sorry about the double post, please delete the first one! Wow that’s longer than I thought 😀

  5. Bahlool
    Bahlool 31 mars 2011

    Saddam förföljde alla som ville åt hans makt, samma gäller alla diktatorer, om de heter Bashar eller nåt annat spelar ingen roll, ingen av dem vill ge upp sin maktställning. Så de mördar och slaktar, om man är shia eller sunni ska inte spela någon roll, det är något som dessa grupper utnyttjar för att få folk att slåss mot varandra istället. Frågan är hur många i Syrien är emot honom? I dag skriver svt text tv att stödet för Bashar är stort, att folk inte vill få bort honom men vill få bort korruption och missförhållande.

    Syrien kommer inte bli demokratisk på länge, just pga det du sa, att alawiterna styr landet. Det är ju så landet är säkrat, så att ingen annan grupp ska kunna ta över. Alweviterna har varit förföljda förr, så de vill adrig uppleva det igen.

    Men jag hörde igår att hon fått ett hus och att hon ändrat sin story? kan det stämma?

  6. Yara
    Yara 01 april 2011

    We will just have to agree to disagree on Syria. About Eman her mother in the East got a phonecall to get her to change her story and offered bribes and freedom for Eman and safety for the rest of the family (her sister Amal and Amal’s son are missing, and Amal’s husband was killed according to some), but both mother and daughter refused. Her family are proud of her bravery and Libyans see her as a heroine:

    Her mother

    Her Father

    Both parents on CNN

    Her cousins

    Female Activist in Benghazi

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