En engelsk förklaring, av min vän på fb, om varför vissa imamer a.s, kallade sina barn för Umar, AbuBakr Uthman och Aisha?
This post is intended to preserve the truth, so that none of my brothers and sisters are fooled by con-artists trying to deceive unknowing people. I humbly plead my brothers and sisters to read the following so that they become aware of the falsehood of others and protect themselves from falling into their traps. I am posting this in response to Ibn al-Hashimi’s article about the names of Imam Ali sons in which he supposedly refutes answering-ansar.org (may Allah be pleased with their efforts) article about Imam Ali’s children’s’ names. These are Ibn al-Hashimi’s works which are so vastly used by our Sunni brothers; http://www.schiiten….habah/sons.html
Ibn al-Hashimi quotes:
1. “We kindly ask Rayat to display more honesty when he furthers arguments; if he knows that four of them were named that, then there is no reason to state two and then base his entire article upon that false fact.
2. “In other words, this statement made by Rayat: […] is quite patently false! This so-called “crucial point” is nothing but a bold-faced lie.”
3. “Subhan-Allah the Shia only fool themselves!”
4. “Yet, this is a blatant and manifest lie!”
The hypocrisy of these statements will soon be revealed. I suggest that you read his articles about the Imams’ (a.s) naming their children, and keep in mind that he is lying through his teeth. He uses two Shi’ite sources and he states them: “[…] is recorded by the classical Shia scholar, Shaikh Mufid, in “Kitāb Al-Irshād”, pp. 268-269, where these three sons of Ali are listed as numbers 12, 6 and 10 respectively. Also when he says, “[…] let us look at the list of Imam Hasan’s children, as found in Shaykh Mufid’s book (Kitab al-Irshad, pp.289-290).” He goes on stating each of the pages until the 11th Imam before he states the there was no 12th Imam.
According to Kitāb Al-Irshād, pp. 268-269 (first part of this book can be found here and on the last page accounts for the children of Imam Ali: http://www.scribd.co…itab-Al-Irshad/), which this author constantly loves to refer to, never stated that the Commander of the Faithful (A.S) had 18 sons! Yet, he seems to be calling out the Shi’a for lying? “Yet, this is a blatant and manifest lie!” This man so often accuses of the Shi’a of lying, while his hypocrisy is quite visible. Let’s see exactly what Kitāb Al-Irshād says on pg. 268-269:
THE CHILDREN OF THE COMMANDER OF THE FAITHFUL
(This is) an account of their children of the Commander of the faithful, peace be on him, their number and names, and a selection of reports about them.
The Commander of the faithful, peace be upon him, had twenty-seven children, male and female:
3. Zaynab the elder
4. Zaynab the younger, who was given the kunya Umm Kulthūm
Their mother was Fātima the blessed, mistress of the women of the worlds, daughter of the master of those sent by God and the seal of the Prophets, the Prophet Muhammad.
5. Muhammad, who was given the kunya of Abū al-Qāsim.
His mother was Khawla, daughter of Ja’far b. Qays al Hanafī.
They were twins. Their mother was Umm Habīb, daughter of Rabī’a.
11. ‘Abd Allāh
The (last four) were martyrs with their brother al-Husayn on the plain of Karbalā’. Their mother was Umm al-Banīn, daughter of Hizām b. Khālid b. Dārim.
12. Muhammad, the younger, who was given the kunya of Abū Bakr.
13. Ubayd Allāh.
Both of these were martyrs with their brother al-Husayn on that plain. Their mother Layla, daughter of Mas’ūd al-Dārimī.
His mother was Asmā, daughter of Umm Sa’īd, daughter of ‘Umays al-Khat’amī, may God be pleased with her.
15. Umm al-Hasan
The mother of these two was Umm Sa’īd, daughter or ‘Urwa b. Mas’ūd al-Thaqafī.
18. Zaynab, the youngest.
19. Ruqayya, the younger.
20. Umm Hāni’
21. Umm al-Kirām
22. Jumāna, who was given the kunya Umm Ja’far.
24. Umm Salama
These, the blessings of God be on them, had different mothers. Among the Shi’a, there are those who mention (another) Fātima, the blessing of God be on her, who was born after the Prophet. They say that the Apostle of God named her while he was carrying Muhsin. According to this group there were twenty-eight children of the Commander of the faithful, the blessing and peace of God be on him. God knows and judges best. [END]
Comments: where exactly did Ibn al-Hashimi get his sources? He seems to have listed the list he provided was from Kitāb Al-Irshād. “Yet, this is a blatant and manifest lie!” The depths of falsehood that the Wahhabi (not Sunni) scholars will put forth to overcome their Shi’a opponents by lying? Where did he get 2 ‘Uthmans from, 2 ‘Umars from, and 1 Abu Bakr from? Did the Prophet (s.a.w.w) ever lie to convert people into Islam (na’uzobillah)? How could this man follow the ‘sunnah of the Prophet?’ Is ibn al-Hashimi part the Ahle-Sunnah.
A Sunni can say that the Imam names one of his sons Abu Bakr in which I will respond to as incorrect! Kunya means “nickname” or “epithet” (http://www.islamic-dictionary.com/index.php?word=kunya) which may or may not be a name that is given from a parent! Kitāb Al-Irshād states that Imam Ali’s thirteenth son was named Muhammad, whose kunya was Abu Bakr. A nickname/epithet is given when people notice a quality about him/her and label the person with a name that suits him accordingly. On what basis do Sunnis (because not only Ibn al-Hashimi claims this) claim that Imam Ali’s thirteenth son, Muhammad, was named Abu Bakr? How does this prove the merit of Abdullah Ibn Abi Quhafa? Now, before I move onto the other Imams, I want to address another thought that first came into my mind when I caught Ibn al-Hashimi’s deceitful methods. I know it may not sound scholarly, but you guys will have to bear with me. Here is a thought that will be followed by a few questions that you might think redundant but I think it’s crucial;
Imam Ali’s mother’s name was Fatima bint Asad (s), the Prophet (S.A.W.W) named his (one and only) daughter after Imam Ali’s mother (most likely). We see that Imam Ali named his last daughter Fatima;
1. What proof is there that Imam Ali named her Fatima after Imam Ali’s wife or mother?
2. Imam Ali named 3 of his daughters Zaynab, the Prophet (saww) had two wives with the names of Zaynab (Zaynab bint Khuzayma & Zaynab bint Jahsh), which one of Imam Ali’s daughter’s was named after which wife?
3. Imam Hassan named 2 of his daughters Fatima, how do you know that he didn’t name them after his father’s mother (Fatima Bint Asad), or his own mother (Fatima Bint Muhammad), or his youngest sister (Fatima Bint Ali)?
4. Imam Hassan (A.S) had a daughter named Umm Salama, as did Imam Ali (A.S), how do you know that Imam Hassan didn’t name his daughter after his sister as opposed to the Prophet’s wife?
5. Imam Hassan (A.S) named one of his sons ‘Umar ibn al-Hasan, as did Imam Ali , how do you know that Imam Hassan didn’t name one of his sons after his own brother as opposed to ‘Umar ibn Al-Khattāb, or all of the other ‘Umars during the Prophet’s era?
This applies to so many of the Imams’ children! Since I am an average Shi’a, I cannot give scholarly explanations as to why we see so many ‘Umar’s or Uthmān’s. But, I could go on and on until the 11th Imam. Even the Imam that named one of his daughters ‘Aisha, how does that prove the merit of ‘Aisha bint Abi Bakr? How do one know that those Imams didn’t name those daughters after an ‘Aisha of his own time? How do you know that the Imam didn’t name their daughters ‘Aisha for the same reason that Abdullah ibn Abi-Quhafa named his daughter ‘Aisha? The more I think about this argument of the Sunnis, the more I am compelled to feel that the Sunnis don’t have any more serious arguments that could be proven from each others’ books.
An Account of the Number and Names of the Children of al- Hasan b. ‘Alī, Peace be on them, and an Extract from the Reports about them.
Al-Hasan b. ‘Alī, Peace be on him, had fifteen children, both male and female:
1. Zayd b. al-Hasan
and his two sisters:
2. Umm al-Hasan
3. Umm al-Husayn
Their mother was Umm Bashīr daughter of Abū Mas’ūd ‘Uqba b. ‘Amr b. Tha’laba al-Khazrajī.
4. al-Hasan b. al-Hasan
His mother was Khawla daughter of Manzūr al-Fazārī.
5. ‘Umar b. al-Hasan
and his two brothers
7. ‘Abd Allāh
Their mother was a slave-wife (umm walad)
8. Abd al-Rahmān b. al-Hasan
His mother was a slave-wife (umm walad)
9. Al-Husayn b. al-Hasan, who was nicknamed the one with the broken tooth (al-athram)
and his brother:
10. Talha b. al-Hasan
and their sister:
11. Fātima daughter of al-Hasan
Their mother was Umm Ishā daughter of Talha b ‘Ubayd Allāh al-Taymī.
12. Umm ‘Abd Allāh
14. Umm Salama
These were daughters of al-Hasan, peace be on him, by various mothers.
Now, once again we see the popular and common name ‘Umar appear. I will repeat the same question that I stated earlier, Imam Ali also had a son named ‘Umar, how can one like Ibn al-Hashimi claim that Imam Hassannamed his son ‘Umar after ‘Umar al-Khattāb when he could’ve named him after his brother. Again, Sunnis have no proof that the he named his son after ‘Umar al-Khattāb.
Let’s move on to Imam Hussain’s children. Here is where Ibn al-Hashimi’s lies reached its peak and infuriated me. Ibn al-Hashimi stated pg. 379 of Kitāb Al-Irshād is where Shaykh al-Mufid listed the names of Imam Hussain’s sons. In the same list where Ibn al-Hashimi states names of Imam Hussain’s children, he stated Abu Bakr and ‘Uthmān on page 372. “Yet, this is a blatant and manifest lie!” This is what is really written on page 372 of Kitāb Al-Irshād.
The Names of the Members of the House who were Killed with al-Husayn in the Plain of Karbalā
There were seventeen souls, in addition to al-Husayn b. ‘Alī, peace be on them both:
2. ‘Abd Allāh.
(These were all) sons of the Commander of the faithful, peace be on them, and their mother was Umm al-Banīn.
5. ‘Abd Allāh.
6. Abū Bakr.
(Both of these were) sons of the Commander of the faithful, peace be on them and their mother Laylā, daughter of Mas’ūd al-Thaqafī.
8. ‘Abd Allāh.
(These were) two sons of al-Husayn b. ‘Alī, peace be on them both.
10. Abū Bakr.
11. ‘Abd Allāh.
(These were) sons of al-Hasan b. Alī, peace be on them.
(They were) two sons of ‘Abd Allāh b. Ja’far b. Abī Talib, may God be pleased with them all.
14. ‘Abd Allāh.
16. ‘Abd al-Rahmān.
(They were) sons of ‘Aqīl b. Abī Talib, may God be pleased with them.
(He was) the son of Abū Sa’īd b. ‘Aqīl b. Abī Talib
Now we see that these were the martyrs of Karbalā, not (all) the sons of Imam Hussain! The Abu Bakr that Ibn al-Hashimi stated was the kunya given to Imam Ali’s (A.S) son (if you recall). The devious Ibn al-Hashimi portrays that both Abu Bakr and ‘Uthmān were the sons of Imam Hussain (A.S)! Surely he has embarrassed his Sunni followers who have also used this same article! If he didn’t, he made a Shi’a the victim of his falsehood. I only pray for those Shi’a who actually believe his rubbish. Now let’s take a look at what Shaykh al-Mufīd really wrote for the names of the children of Imam Hussain (A.S).
The Children of al-Husayn b. ‘Alī, Peace be on them
Al-Husayn, peace be on him, had six children:
1. ‘Alī b. al-Husayn al-Akbar (the elder).
His kunya was Abū Muhammad and his mother was Shāhzanān, daughter of Choesroe Yazdigard.
2. ‘Alī b. al-Husayn al-Asghar (the younger).
He was killed with his father on the banks (of the Euphrates) as has already been mentioned earlier. His mother was Laylā daughter of Abū Murra b. ‘Urwa b. Mas’ūd al-Thaqafī.
3. Ja’far b. al-Husayn, peace be on him.
He had no survivors. His mother was a women of (the tribe of) Qudā’a and he died during the lifetime of al-Husayn.
4. ‘Abd Allāh b. al-Husayn.
He was killed while still a baby child with his father. An arrow came, while he was in his father’s arms, and killed him. Mention of that has already come earlier so.
5. Sukayna, daughter of Husayn, peace be on him.
Her mother was Rabāb, daughter of Imru’ al-Qays b. ‘Adī of Kalb of Ma’d. she was also a mother of ‘Abd Allāh b. al-Husayn, peace be on him.
6. Fātima, daughter of al-Husayn, peace be on him.
Her mother was Umm Ishāq, daughter of Talha b. ‘Ubayd Allāh of Taym.
Where does Ibn al- Hashimi see an ‘Uthmān as one of his six children? Where do he see Abu Bakr as one of his six children? One might notice that on page 372 Shayk Mufīd stated that Abu Bakr was the name of one of Imam Hassan’s son. But if you refer back to the original list of Imam Hassan’s sons, there was no Abu Bakr. Neither was there an Abu Bakr listed in Ibn al-Hashimi’s list for Imam Hassan’s son. So I’m guessing that Sheikh Mufid made a mistake as he is not infallible, and if one of Imam Hassan’s sons had the slightest chance of being named Abu Bakr, Ibn al-Hashimi would surely include it in his (self created) list. You also see an Abu Bakr as Imam Ali’s (A.S) son, which you can refer back to was the kunya of Muhammad b. Ali.! In conclusion, Imam Hussain did not name any of his children Abu Bakr, ‘Uthmān, or ‘Umar as the cunning Ibn al-Hashimi claims is listed in Kitāb Al-Irshād.
Now we reach the fourth Imam – Imam Ali Zayn Al-Abidīn . Again we see errors in Ibn al-Hashimi’s list which is only more proof that he is a liar. He only listed ten children of this Imam whereas Kitāb Al-Irshād has listed fifteen children. If a Sunni says that Ibn al-Hashimi was only listing males, than that is also incorrect because he only listed one Muhammad while Kitāb Al-Irshād states more.
An Account of the Children of ‘Alī b. al-Husayn, Peace be on them.
Fifteen chldren were born to ‘Alī b. al-Husayn, peace be on them.
1. Muhammad. His kunya was Abū Ja’far al-Bāqir and his mother was Umm ‘Abd Allāh, the daughter of al-Hasan b. ‘Alī b. Abī Tālib, peace be on him.
2. ‘Abd Allāh.
Their mother was a slave wife (umm walad)
(Both were born) from a slave-wife.
7. Al-Husayn the younger (al-asghar).
8. ‘Abd al-Rahmān.
He was the youngest of the children of ‘Alī b. al-Husayn, peace be on them.
The mother of both of these was a slave-wife.
12. Muhammad the younger.
His mother was a slave-wife.
15. Umm Kulthūm.
Their mother was a slave-wife.
We see another ‘Umar here, again I can ask the questions;
1. How do you know that he didn’t name this child after ‘Umar b. Ali?
2. How do you know that he didn’t name this child after ‘Umar b. Hassan?
3. How do you know that he didn’t name this child after ‘Umar b. Abdul Aziz who put a stop to the cursing of Imam Ali (a.s)?
I won’t go over this again and again whenever we see another ‘Umar or ‘Uthman as a name because I have already explained the probability of it them being named him after the second and third caliphs. Anybody can claim that it was after another ‘Umar or ‘Uthman because we already know that these two were popular names amongst the Sahabas of the Prophet (s.a.w.w). You also can’t tell me that the Imams named any of their children Abu Bakr, because they didn’t! Whenever you see these names, apply the same questions. Imam Muhammad ibn ‘Ali Al-Baqir’s and Imam Ja’far As-Sādiq lists (that Ibn al-Hashimi provided) was amazingly on par with Shaykh Mufid this time so I won’t write down what Shaykh Mufid wrote in his book.
18 of Musa al-Khādhim’s children were female. Is Ibn al-Hashimi seriously claiming that because Imam Musa al-Khādhim named one of his daughters ‘Aisha out of 18 female children, it is sufficient enough proof that he named here after ‘Aisha bint Abi Bakr. Once again, if one actually thinks about this argument, you find it to be even more foolish as you go along. On the same note, we see that Ibn al-Hashimi has listed an Abu Bakr as one of Imam Musa al-Khādhim’s sons. If you check his list carefully, you see that he has referred to another book. Unfortunately, Allah (s.w.t) only blessed me with the pleasure of reading Shaikh Mufid’s book, so I don’t have this one. He seems to be finding Shi’a books that differ from one another, and as soon as he finds something useful for him, he states it! For the entire list of Imam al-Khādhim’s (A.S) he was only using Kitāb Al-Irshād, but now he changes books. Since I don’t have this book, am I supposed to believe him? Based on our previous knowledge on Ibn al-Hashimi, we can make an educational guess that he is, once again, lying! I am given the right to accuse him of lying because he has already been caught many times! There hasn’t been a single time where both parties agreed on the naming of Abu Bakr as one of the children, why should I believe him now?
Now we see another ‘Aisha as one of Imam Hasan al-Askari’s (A.S) daughter’s name. You should already have the same questions that I keep repeating, going on in your head by now. This concludes for what I have to say to you, now I will move on to answering your arguments by breaking it down.