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  1. Isaac skriver:

    Fel i Koranen?
    Det är lätt för kristna och icke-muslimer att se fel i Koranen. Skapades himmel och jord på 6 dagar eller 8 dagar?

    6 dagar:
    Koranen 7:54: ”Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 10:3: ”Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 11:7: ”He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 25:59: ”He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days”

    8 dagar (2+4+2):
    Koranen 41: 9 ”Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in two days”
    Koranen 41:10 ”He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days”
    Koranen 41:12 ”So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in two days”

    Här är kristna och icke-muslimer överrens om att det är något tokigt. Det är fel i koranen.

    Att Muhammed åkte på en flygande häst till himlen tycker kristna är konstigt, det finns inga hästar med vingar. Jultomten åker omkring med flygande renar och ingen tror på att det är sant. Endast i sagor förekommer flygande mattor, renar, hästar etc.

    Fel i Bibeln?
    Men muslimer och icke-kristna hittar fel i bibeln. Hur många gånger gol tuppen?

    Här gol tuppen två gånger
    Mark 14:66-71: ”While Peter was below in the courtyard, one of the servant girls of the high priest came by. When she saw Peter warming himself, she looked closely at him. ”You also were with that Nazarene, Jesus,” she said. But he denied it. ”I don’t know or understand what you’re talking about,” he said, and went out into the entryway. When the servant girl saw him there, she said again to those standing around, ”This fellow is one of them.” Again he denied it. After a little while, those standing near said to Peter, ”Surely you are one of them, for you are a Galilean.” He began to call down curses on himself, and he swore to them, ”I don’t know this man you’re talking about.” Immediately the rooster crowed the second time. Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken to him: ”Before the rooster crows twice you will disown me three times.” And he broke down and wept.”

    Här gol tuppen en gång
    Matt 26:69-75: Now Peter was sitting out in the courtyard, and a servant girl came to him. ”You also were with Jesus of Galilee,” she said. But he denied it before them all. ”I don’t know what you’re talking about,” he said. Then he went out to the gateway, where another girl saw him and said to the people there, ”This fellow was with Jesus of Nazareth.” He denied it again, with an oath: ”I don’t know the man!” After a little while, those standing there went up to Peter and said, ”Surely you are one of them, for your accent gives you away.” Then he began to call down curses on himself and he swore to them, ”I don’t know the man!” Immediately a rooster crowed. Then Peter remembered the word Jesus had spoken: ”Before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” And he went outside and wept bitterly.

    Kristna har många bortförklaringar. Det är inte fel på Bibeln, punkt slut! Borde inte en allsmäktig gud kunna skriva en bok som man inte skulle kunna hitta fel i?

    Muslimer tar ofta upp treenigheten som något konstigt. De har rätt i det. 1+1+1=1?

    Orsaken att jag blandade in muslimer är att på internet finns det en hel del hemsidor där kristna enbart hittar fel i islam och hemsidor där muslimer enbart hittar fel i kristendomen. Denna typ av kristna och muslimer är inkonsekventa och immuna mot självkritik. Tron har förblindat dem.

  2. Rasul skriver:

    ”6 dagar:
    Koranen 7:54: ”Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 10:3: ”Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 11:7: ”He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days”
    Koranen 25:59: ”He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days”
    ———————-
    Helt rätt allt skapades under 6 dagar! ”all that is between, in Six Days”
    ( allt klar under 6 dagar)

    Koranen 7:54 created the heavens and earth in Six Days
    Koranen 10:3 created the heavens and earth in Six Days
    Koranen 11:7 created the heavens and earth in Six Days

    dessa ayat är Mutashabihaat (allegorical) …dessa ord används här allegoriskt…

    men här förstår vi allt …

    Koranen 25:59: ”He Who created the heavens and earth –>and all that is between,<—
    in Six Days

    …..

  3. Rasul skriver:

    ”8 dagar (2+4+2):
    Koranen 41: 9 ”Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in two days””
    ———–
    Handlar bara om att jorden blev klar i två dagar!

    ————–
    Koranen 41:10 ”He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in four days”
    ————–

    här skapades (i fyra dagar) ”Mountains” + ”and bestowed blessing on the earth” ++ ”and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion”

    (blev klar i 4 dagar)

    ————-
    ”Koranen 41:12 ”So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in two days”
    —————

    handlar bara om skapandet av himlen i 2 dagar…
    (klar i 2 dagar)

    allt var skapad under 6 dagar… t.ex

    himlen klar i 2 dagar…
    gjorden klar i 2dagar
    klar under 4 dagar… ”Mountains” + ”and bestowed blessing on the earth” ++ and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion

    Koranen 25:59: ”He Who created the heavens and earth and–> all that is between,
    in Six Days”<–

    ((((( all that is between, in Six Days )))))

    för dumma människor totalt 6 dagar i 2 dagar klart himlen + jorden i 4 dagar klar…
    "Mountains" + "and bestowed blessing on the earth" ++ and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion"

    4+2=6

    Koranen 25:59: ”and all that is between, in Six Days”

    ————-
    "Att Muhammed åkte på en flygande häst till himlen tycker kristna är konstigt, det finns inga hästar med vingar. Jultomten åker omkring med flygande renar och ingen tror på att det är sant. Endast i sagor förekommer flygande mattor, renar, hästar etc."
    —————

    Det var inte häst…. men häst liknande skapelse… med vingar…
    + (Änglar kan ha olika former (byta former)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Al-Buraf_Hafifa.jpg

  4. Rasul skriver:

    första posten blev fel 🙁

  5. Bahlool skriver:

    tog bort den

  6. Isaac skriver:

    The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

    Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most of the verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

    Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence – and Muhammad’s own martial legacy – has left a trail of blood and tears across world history

    Quran (3:56) – ”As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”

    Quran (3:151) – ”Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).

    Quran (4:74) – ”Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

    Quran (4:76) – ”Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”

    Quran (4:89) – ”They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

    Quran (4:95) – ”Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” This passage criticizes ”peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that ”Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

    Quran (4:104) – ”And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

    Quran (5:33) – ”The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”

    Quran (8:12) – ”I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

    Quran (8:15) – ”O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”

    Quran (8:39) – ”And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah” From the historical context we know that the ”persecution” spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until ”religion is only for Allah.” According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that ”Allah must have no rivals.”

    Quran (8:57) – ”If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”

    Quran (8:59-60) – ”And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”

    Quran (8:65) – ”O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

    Quran (9:5) – ”So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

    Quran (9:14) – ”Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…”

    Quran (9:20) – ”Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The ”striving” spoken of here is Jihad.

    Quran (9:29) – ”Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” ”People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final ”revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

    Quran (9:30) – ”And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

    Quran (9:38-39) – ”O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

    Quran (9:41) – ”Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – ”If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

    Quran (9:73) – ”O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

    Quran (9:88) – ”But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”

    Quran (9:111) – ”Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.”

    Quran (9:123) – ”O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”

    Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story, which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source, tells of Moses encountering a man with ”special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would ”grieve” his parents by ”disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son.

    Quran (21:44) – ”We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”

    Quran (25:52) – ”Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” ”Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

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